reverse snobbery?

topic posted Sat, June 7, 2008 - 5:31 AM by  Hummingbird ...
overheard on a bus; "she is so not alternative she's mundane."

What could this mean? maybe I am old school myself, but it seems that being "alternative" (however you define it) would mean being able to be more accepting. Besides without "mundane" people how could others feel alternative.
  • Re: reverse snobbery?

    Sat, June 7, 2008 - 9:05 AM
    Taking into consideration of the use of "alternative: and "mundane" as categories rather than their standard definitions, it sounds like the person who is the target of this statement acts like an Alternative but is in fact a poseur from the vast throngs of the Mundanes.

    It's just a guess. The statement sounds like so much "teen-speak" I've heard over the years. Also, the use of "mundane" resonates with me -- when I used to perform at Renaissance Fairs, the term "Mundanes" referred to the public, non-costumed, gawking fairgoers as opposed to the rest of us who were in costume, in character and, apparently, in an alternate universe.
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      Sat, June 7, 2008 - 10:43 AM
      That may be true, but I would not be suprised if somebody else were to consider the person who said this to be a poseur. Among the vast throngs of Alternatives there are a few with a "more alternative than thou" attitude.
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        Sat, June 7, 2008 - 11:08 AM

        Yes, goth snobs, emo snobs and punk snobs crack me the hell up.

        I was once kept out of a band because one of the members thought I didn't know enough about the sugar cubes or Nena Hagen.
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        Sat, June 7, 2008 - 11:33 AM
        Actually, I'm going to suggest here that may folks who are Alternative are reactionary to mundanes...they're trying to escape Mundania and they don't want people who aren't really into "Alternative attitutes" muddying the waters. In this case, 'mundane' == conventional.
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          Sat, June 7, 2008 - 11:38 AM
          What is considered alternative today will be called mundane tomorrow. I'll bet in 10-15 years Dead Can Dance will be labeled as elevator music by some folks. (okay, I admit that is a bit cynical)
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            Sat, June 7, 2008 - 11:27 PM
            A 19 year old told me he was "old school punk". I didn't mean to laugh in his face, but I couldn't help it.
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              Sat, June 7, 2008 - 11:39 PM
              I love it when kids want to stand out and be non-conformists and yet conform to the dress and behavior norms of the clique they adhere to.

              That and when people want to just be accepted for who they are, yet get all pissy when people pay attention to their openly-displayed buttcrack tat, or the huge bone with which they pierced their cheek, or the day-glo hair, or the post-Apocalypse Thunderdome attire, or the massive, ornate Maori tattoo across their face...or Heaven forbid, their new Ilanio wardrobe. ;-)

              "Hey! Look at me! But don't actually LOOK at me!"
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                Sat, June 21, 2008 - 8:53 PM
                oh oh oh I have to add...


                I always crack up when my highschool freshmen say things like... "back in the day," or "when I was young..."
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                  Mon, June 23, 2008 - 7:48 PM
                  You know, I've noticed younger and younger folks talking that way too...do they get this from their parents? From television? From movies? Video games? Where does the attitude that there was a "back in the day" for them come from precisely?!
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                    Re: reverse snobbery?

                    Mon, June 23, 2008 - 8:05 PM
                    It's all relative, folks. You are talking about kids (18 and younger) who were born into the 90s. The Berlin Wall was already history. They have never known a world without HIV/AIDS, CDs, PCs or the space shuttle. The first war with Iraq was history for most of them at birth.

                    Yeah, it's funny to hear them talk about the Old Days when a 486 IBM Compatible computer was pretty hot, with 16 MEGABYTES of memory and a 100 MEGABYTE hard drive. Whoooo, Smokin'!

                    They got this from parents, grandparents, TV, video games, movies, MTV, the Internet and human nature to look back at simpler times and wax nostalgic. Sounds silly to us, but no more me waxing nostalgic about going back to the good old days of 1975 (ancient effing history to the kids).
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    Mon, June 23, 2008 - 7:40 PM
    reverse snobbery? is that like reverse-racism? didn't know one group had exclusive ownership over such things....
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      Sun, June 29, 2008 - 7:36 AM
      People tend to be snobs wherever you go.
      They just have different things to 'grade' you on.

      In college the hierachy is how smart you are.
      In goth clubs it's how goth.
      In rave clubs it's how well you dance.
      In gay bars it's how gay you are.
      At klan rallies it's how racist you are.
      In the gym it's how healthy you are.
      In crackhouses it's your drug connections.
      In social networking sites it's the number of friends you have.
      In the suburbs it's how many 'nice things' you have.
      In the ghettos it's how many 'nice things' you have.
      (but if you have too many you're 'acting white', or if you actually are white you're automatically considered rich by some and that's *not* considered good, apparently)
      In music stores it's how much you know about music.
      In libraries it's how well read you are.
      in writer's groups it's how well you write.
      In activist circles it's how active you are.
      In poetry circles it's how well you read poetry and wether you've been published.
      In recovery groups it's how much clean time you have.
      In republican circles it's how eagerly you support the party line.
      In democratic circles it's how divisive you are.
      In hostels it's how well travelled you are.
      On the street it's how street you are.
      In the internet it's how snappy and witty you seem.
      Almost everywhere it's how good looking you are.
      In churches and meditation groups it's how holy or balanced you are.

      I'm stereotyping and being 'snarky' of course...but I think it's mostly true.

      Am I the only one who thinks that humans are capable of taking anything...anything...and overdoing it by making it a competitive

      Reverse-reverse snobbery?



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        Sun, June 29, 2008 - 7:50 AM
        It does seem like everyone is trying to "one up" on everybody. I notice this when it comes to dietary choice* You have vegetarians who look down on omnivours, vegans who look down on vegetarians, fruitarians who look down on vegans and breatharians who are hostile all of us.



        *a veagn once lectured me not to call it a dietary choice. He maintined that vegans were the next step toward more "evolved humans" and that the rest of us should acknowledge this. What ever we choose to eat it is nothing other than a simple dietary choice, If you are against meat then do not eat it, but do not expect me to be impressed by your choice.

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